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Will N. Wayne Field Become Stormwater Basin?

A stormwater project would slow run-off from less than 10 percent of the Gulph Creek watershed in North Wayne.

Radnor officials and residents on Monday discussed a proposal to turn North Wayne playing field into a pond-and-basin stormwater facility.

"All three options Cummins proposed would reduce the ball field there to a dry basin designed to slow up to 80 percent of the storm-water that rampages from that source through the Poplar Ave. and Willow Ave. area during Wayne’s increasingly numerous heavy rains," reports Main Line Media News.

Read all about the discussion Monday by clicking here.

Residents of North and South Wayne have suffered serious stormwater problems in recent years. Is this a good part of the solution to their problems? Tell us in the comments below.

See the damage that happens to some residents' homes when it rains.

Township manager Bob Zienkowski's message about the issue was posted on the township's Web site:

Your input is very valuable as we work through all the various options that are currently being considered by the Township in this entire drainage area. 
Also, please know that no decision has been made to date on a particular design or location as well as no funds have been appropriated or available for any improvement projects at this time.  I have reached out to PECO, AT&T and SEPTA in regard to their water contributions to this issue and they are awaiting a plan from the Township on how we plan to proceed.   At that time, we will engage them as part of the solution.  I have also forwarded your email on to Chagrin Valley Engineering for their review and consideration.

Please also know that our Director of Recreation & Community Programming, Tammy Cohen, has also been involved in these discussions in which she has expressed her concerns over the loss of park & open space and the athletic fields which will also be playing in to our decision here as well.

Stacy L. Wright September 26, 2012 at 11:30 am
no doubt that something has to be done about the flooding in wayne. if this is the only option to control it, then it really isn"t up for discussion. however, i am a high believer in win, win situations. with a field that big, it is possible to build it in such a way that the field could still be used for recreation when it isn't flooding. build a good drain field, spread it out to use the entire property, seed it with nice thick turf and make sure it perks and empties in 96 hours. for the sake of the property owners, please don't take the easy way out and create an eye sore.
Nicholas C. Cooper September 26, 2012 at 11:51 am
I certainly emphasize with the folks on Poplar, who have had to endure periodic flooding, however I feel that N. Wayne field is being unduly blamed for their plight. Based upon my own observations (I walk my dog at least three times a day in the Park), poor maintenance by the Township of the current underground water control facility at the south end of the field is at least partially to blame for the flooding issue: After every major rain event it appears that the huge underground pipes intended to retain water flow become clogged with gravel & debris resulting in an overflow that crosses N. Wayne Ave and into the creek running along Poplar. I noticed only recently that that debris and gravel have been removed allowing the water to flow into the retention facility; this occurred when the creek was being dredged a month or so ago. I believe the flooding issue along Poplar could be greatly alleviated by proper maintenance of the current water control facility that has been in place for approximately 25 years.
Anthony Wayne September 26, 2012 at 01:53 pm
Contrary to the title of the above "commentary", the open space in question is in fact already a storm water retention facility, demonstrating that the need was realized a long time ago, further, this "commentary" states that there are two streets affected, when in fact the impact of this storm water has direct effect on residents of North Wayne, Poplar, Walnut, Oak, Beechtree, Plant, Pennsylvania, Willow, Woodland, Chamounix, Fenimore, Radnor Street, and Gulph Creek Roads. In addition, two other parks downstream are impacted as well, Cowan Field and Fenimore Woods. Just this past summer, residents required evacuation by police and fire officials using boats to bring them to safety. Clearly there are storm water problems along The Gulph Creek Watershed affecting many residents directly, and all of us indirectly. Are there other neighborhoods negatively affected by storm water? Absolutely. Thus a reasonable solution might be the proposed storm water management fee which would not only fund necessary efforts township wide to help correct the many years of neglect to the growing storm water systems and subsequent quality of life and safety issues, but also offer incentives for self directed control of runoff from individual properties.
Gari Brindle September 26, 2012 at 02:15 pm
The potential scenario involving the North Wayne playing field does not include over 600 acres also contributing to the storm water problem. How does one evaluate whether doing something in this area doesn't make the water a bigger problem elsewhere? The proposal seems like sticking a finger in the proverbial dike when what may be needed is a new dike.
I'd appreciate seeing a comprehensive plan that addresses at least 90% of the area causing runoff problems. Years of storm water inaction cannot be fixed by looking at the problem in small pieces. It could make things worse.
Bill Nut September 26, 2012 at 03:22 pm
Who uses this "park" anyway? Only kids looking to smoke and have sex after dark. I say put a church cause ya'll need Jesus!
Charlie D. September 26, 2012 at 04:46 pm
Gari.....Please read the 7 reports that Radnor Taxpayers have paid consultants to write on the very topic of Storm Water Management and Flooding. These reports date back to 1973, with very little if no action taken by the various Board of Commissioners who commissioned the reports. Here is a link to the most recent study from July 2011, it outlines all of the possible solutions for 100% of the area. To net it out, there are no 100% solutions and in fact the largest single solution is the 8% solution of the North Wayne Park basin. Lucky for Radnor Township that our pro-active manager, Bob Zienkowski, is well aware of the issues and how to solve them! Here's a link to the 2011 comprehensive report: http://www.radnor.com/egov/docs/1311956792_445831.pdf
Sharpie September 26, 2012 at 06:34 pm
Streets in flooding areas should be repaved w pervious paving. There are a lot of new and creative ideas w pervious paving. Even just making parking area on one or both sides of streets would help. Deepening culverts just adds to rushing waters, making them more dangerous. The large pipes should be removed. No one can safely clear them in a storm; they're difficult and dirty to maintain, and they just add to rushing waters also. The N. Wayne Field should have the piping removed, and be planted w large trees and other shrubs that can soak up large quantities of water. Streets and driveways even sidewalks in all this area should be repaved w pervious paving imo.
John F. Haines September 26, 2012 at 07:17 pm
If you are interested in viewing the meeting, please go to www.youtube.com/jhainessr The complete meeting is on You Tube. While there, please subscribe to see future meetings. Thanks.
Charlie D. September 26, 2012 at 07:35 pm
Sharpie....Unfortunately you are not well informed. There is no way that a bunch of trees (or the entire park covered with trees) could absorb the amount of water running into the North Wayne Park. Perhaps you should read the extensive report here: http://www.radnor.com/egov/docs/1311956792_445831.pdf and then watch the video of Monday nights' meeting. The video has the consultants explaining how much water runs through the North Wayne Park.
Sharpie September 26, 2012 at 09:13 pm
Trees in addition to pervious paving throughout the area is what I suggested, Charlie D. from comment above. If buildings are already present in a watershed of any creek or stream, impervious paving of all other surfaces will matter. Trees in general are underestimated in controlling flood waters. They are vital IN ADDITION to pervious paving.
Sharpie September 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm
The underground water control facility should be removed in entirety since it is impervious. This, in itself, is creating problems. The water has to percolate through the soil, or gravel bed. Removing this entire facility of piping and concrete surface, along w repaving streets, driveways, and sidewalks in a watershed w pervious paving that allow water to percolate down on site, and planting trees w large root systems will prevent flooding.
Dan Webster September 27, 2012 at 02:11 am
John: Your diligence in getting these meetings posted to YouTube is appreciated.
Charlie D. September 27, 2012 at 04:45 am
Sharpie...trees and pervius paving may help one day, however the flooding situation on Gulph Creek is way beyond the solutions that these methods provide. I suggest you read the reports that I linked in earlier posts, reports written by experts who studied the flooding situation at Gulph Creek. If you'll provide your contact info then I'll make sure to invite you to our home to experience 1st hand the next flood....nothing like on the job training! You'll want to trade in your BB gun for something far more powerful!
Sharpie September 27, 2012 at 08:48 am
Experts don't always have the best information, or don't act on it. Solutions are far more simple in general than what we have. The fact that one young person already practically lost his life in rushing waters, and is struggling to hold on to what is left of his life, should motivate people to do the right thing. Keep it simple. Could care less about power; it is common sense and mercy that is lacking.
Sharpie September 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm
One last comment on paving. Blacktop roads and highways are contributing significantly to global warming in addition to creating flooding issues as mentioned. Even if every road can't be pervious, they shouldn't be black and absorbing more heat. Someone enterprising should invent a road surface that is light in color.

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